Category Archives: Origins

Honest Scientist sees it but can’t say it

Columnist George Caylor once interviewed a molecular biologist for an article entitled “The Biologist,” that ran on February 17, 2000, in The Ledger (Lynchburg, VA), and is in part reprinted here as a conversation between “G: (Caylor) and “J” (the scientist). We joint the piece in the middle of a discussion about the complexity of human code.

G: “Do you believe that the information evolved?”

J: “George, nobody I know in my profession believes it evolved. It was engineered by genius beyond genius, and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book! Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise.”

G: “Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?”

J: “No, I just say it evolved. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold onto two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don’t believe evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures—everything would stop. I’d be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn’t earn a decent living.

G: I hate to say it, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.

J: The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind’s worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the elephant in the living room.

G: What elephant?

J: Creation design. It’s like an elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn’t there!

Dr. John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research:

[Scientists] see the evidence for creation, and they see it clearly, but peer pressure, financial considerations, political correctness, and a religious commitment to naturalism force them to look the other way and insist they see nothing. And so, the illogical origins myth of modern society perpetuates itself.

 

Grotto of Pan

The spring emerged from the large cave which became the center of pagan worship. Beginning in the 3rd century B.C., sacrifices were cast into the cave as offerings to the god Pan.

Pan, the half-man half-goat god of fright (thus “panic”), is often depicted playing the flute. This city known as Panias has been corrupted in the Arabic language to its modern name of Banias.

General Revelation leaves men “Without Excuse”

What theologians call “General Revelation” leaves men Without Excuse

Romans 1:20

InvisibleAttributesThe Bible here teaches, “For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.” What does it mean that people are without excuse?

Theology has been downgraded in the minds of secularized people, which is most of what we call the western world now.   Theology being the study of the God and things related to the Creator is thought of as inferior to what is called “science”.  Never mind that things which are often called “science” do not even fit under their own definition of science.  As a result “Theologians” are disrespected and largely disregarded by the by the many millions of us who have been indoctrinated with secular thought.

God declares to us however that this study of “Him” i.e. “Theology” is in fact the most important study of all and that He has given us more than enough information to get started on the path.

BiteByte on this piece of truth:

The key word to consider in this secular vs theological thought comparison is the word EVIDENCE.

Paul asserts that God’s invisible attributes are clearly perceived by EVIDENCE that is not invisible.

The attributes include His eternal power and divine nature, two aspects of God available to every person since the creation of the world. How were these attributes seen?   The needed evidence is in the things that have been made.

Ps. 19:1-4

1 The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
2  Day to day pours out speech,
and night to night reveals knowledge.

3  There is no speech, nor are there words,
whose voice is not heard.
4  Their voice2 goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.
In them he has set a tent for the sun,
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The created universe reveals there is a Creator, plain and simple, and the argument every “Atheist” or “Agnostic” will ultimately have to make is an argument with the Creator Himself.  Included in this general revelation is also a conscience which is a built-in, intrinsic sense of right and wrong but we will leave that discussion for another BiteByte.

The assertion here is that all people are without excuse for at the very least failing to recognize that God IS and that they should seek Him.

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The natural, visible, tangible world is what scripture asserts here will the be the FIRST BASIS of EVIDENCE which God will judge ALL HUMAN BEINGS by.  This primary evidence is part of what theologians call “general revelation“.  This is EVIDENCE that available to ALL PEOPLE everywhere which the Creator expects some recognition of and some action based upon.  The expected action is to SEEK HIM.

Evidence is given to all people that there is a Creator who is by clear inference of what we can see and observe EXTREMELY POWERFUL and OUTRAGEOUSLY intelligent.  We should also infer that the Creator is worthy of worship before we even move on to investigate special revelation which indeed we should investigate.

Selah

 

1 Timothy 6:20 False Science

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called
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This is a vast topic.  Keeping it Bite Sized here consider this simple truth.  Written historical records go back only a few thousand years.
The modern printing press was invented in 1450. Less than 1000 years ago! The more labor intensive Chinese woodblock devices for duplicating written material go back further but still at most
circa 648 BC. That means no matter how you slice it less than 2,000 year of written history was based on something other than manual creation of written material, written on cloth, scrolls, stones, rock walls etc.

So how is it that “intelligent” people can call things facts that occurred long before recorded history, without not only living eye witnesses but without even written record of witnesses?

Essentially speculation is falsely labeled “science” and accepted as “fact” despite being based entirely on interpretations of things like old bones and rocks as if no other interpretation of those things is possible.

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“Science falsely so-called” is, in the Greek, literally “pseudo-science” or “pseudo knowledge.”

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Selah

Conversations: Evolution, Poor Design, No Design

Conversation Snippet
(Taken from one of Dr. Hunter’s discussions
and debates with Random Evolutionists)

Random Evolution Believer says:
“You are free to believe what you like. I am merely pointing out that evolution explains poor design and religion, or ‘intelligent design’, doesn’t.”

My Response:
A belief in “Random” Evolution does not explain poor design and in fact doesn’t “explain” any kind of design. The very belief that no cognizance, awareness or intelligence is required means that there is “NO DESIGN”, let alone a poor design.

That’s the point of this book. To show that there is of necessity design involved irrespective of who you believe to be it’s source, it is a design on so many levels, including at the level of we have come to call informational technology.

The question of whether the design is “good” or “poor” or whether the design WAS “good” and deteriorated for some reason, or what the actual intent of the design was/is (a question critical to whether or not the design is “poor”) moves into a separate question from the one addressed in this book. The point is, if the design were random or even if it was driven only by “mindless” forces such as natural selection it would not be a design at all but simply chance.

In fact if you consider the implications of Dr. Meyers book then you should also understand that his central argument goes beyond “Evolution” because natural selection, the supposed driving force of evolution, depends FIRST on the existence of the design elements the book is discussing.

Please consider that the question of whether the design is poor, good or perfect and why it is in the condition it is in is a separate question from whether or not there is an intelligence required for the design to exist at all.

*Note: I distinguish the belief in “Random Evolution” from a belief in Evolution in general.  The latter leads to a separate discussion from the former which is a line many people blur and is a very important distinction that should not be missed in serious analysis.

The process current day scientists call Evolution depends by necessity on life processes with the coded processes of DNA and RNA already preexisting before any sort of “natural selection” or “survival of the fittest” has any chance to get started.  This means that any processes called Evolution of any kind depend ultimately on what is already a clearly Intelligent Design.

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Conversations: The 6000 year question

Just old IS the Earth?

I found it very interesting that Presidential Candidate Ben Carson addressed a question and a issue which I often see discussed and debated and some length in discussions related to origins.

The question is about the age of the earth as it relates to “Creationism”. Creationism is a phrase I put in quotes because I find so much ignorance and fallacy as to what our modern secular society thinks these things mean.

At any rate I found it very interesting that Ben Carson tired to answer the question very similar to the way I usually answer it.  The topic can lead also to the Theological topic and debate on the  “Gap Theory” or in some way explaining that the Bible does not specify an age of the earth.

This thread is from conversations I’ve participated in on the topic.

 

Conversation Snippet: Evolution NOT about the origin of life

 

Conversation Snippet (from one of my many conversations / debates with Random Evolutionists) 

Most people that say they “believe in Evolution”, i.e. the common man often speak of it as an answer to the origin of life.  They fail to understand even the very belief system they are believing in because they don’t grasp that evolution is NOT an explanation of the origin of life at all.

Evolution depends first on the existence of the cell, DNA and all it’s replicating chemistry before it can even HOPE to get started (and still has MANY intellectual hurdles to overcome even assuming a start from preexisting simple life).

At any rate, anyone that really understands the theory of Evolution knows that it is not an explanation for the origin of life, because it depends on the existence of life to begin with therefore this book is addressing a question that Darwinian Evolution does not even address, the origin of the chemical programming and information that is the basis of physical life.

 

 

Conversation snippet: When Evolution is no longer ‘science’

 

When is what you may call ‘Evolution’ no longer real ‘science’?

When you begin to describe things that you interpret to have happened, especially many, many thousands of years ago (before recorded history) and neither YOU nor anyone you know has actually observed any of it let alone can you or anyone you know repeat it.

Of course a person may define a word such as ‘science’ or any other word in any way they’d like in order to satisfy a motivation but if the goal is to determine ‘facts’  or in a larger sense ‘truth’ then the old fashioned understanding of science where required things to be “testable” “measurable” “falsifiable” “repeatable” etc. reflected an important way to reach certain categories of knowledge reliably.

Consider that disingenuous and even deceptive beliefs have entered into consciousness of millions today by describing massive amounts of assumptions as “evolution” and also asserting them to be ‘science’.

Insofar as ‘science’ deals with things we can all call “provable” “observable” “repeatable” “falsifiable” “FACTS” then much of what is being placed under the umbrella of “evolution” is in fact not at all ‘science’ in any traditional sense.

What used to be called “adaptation” or what some now call “micro evolution” fits the definition of “science” that most reasonable minds can accept without much difficulty.  In point of fact these features of “evolution” described this way are a direct function of the “DESIGN” inherent in cell life and DNA chemical information programming.

On the other hand assertions such as “millions of years ago a single cell became a sea animal of some kind which many millions of years later gave rise to everything from Elephants of land to Birds of the air”, well these type of assertions are not in anyway science in the sense of the former understanding.

These type of evolutionary ideas are interpretations based on observing what is and imagining (quite irrationally actually) what MIGHT have occurred. These things have not been observed, repeated or in any way “proved”.

They are simply “beliefs” paraded under the guise of the respected word “science” when they in fact are NOT science in the common sense that people understand it. Evolutionary assertions of this type are actually a competing belief system to which people ascribe to it’s interpretations of the physical world often with the same zeal and fervent defense as any religious zealot.

In addition a religious zealot at least may be basing their zeal on observable evidence that they have themselves observed such as the authors of the Scriptures asserted.  The source of their zeal in that sense may be based on definitive evidence they experienced even if that evidence is not ‘repeatable’ for others, at least not for those whose heart is not similarly positioned.

In that sense, it’s possible for the spiritual minded individual to be far more “scientific” than those placing a massively broad brush over the term “evolution”.

1Tim 6:20 …, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

3 Embryos

 

There was 3 embryos in the belly of their mother: the little believer, the little doubter, the little sceptic.

The little doubter: do you guys think, there is a life after birth?   The little believer:  Sure there is.  Our life here is meant to make us grow and prepare us for the after birth, so that we will be strong enough for whatever is waiting for us.

The little sceptic: Nonsense. It doesn’t exist. How would it look like, life after birth?

The little believer: I don’t really know myself but I guess, it will be brighter than here, out there and we will walk around and will be able to eat with our mouth.

The little sceptic: Are you nuts? Us walking around is impossible and eating with our mouth is a stupid idea. The umbilical cord feeds us already. There is no life after birth.Besides, the umbilical cord is now already too short.

The little believer: I’m sure there is. It will be just a different life.  The little sceptic: Nobody ever came back from life after birth. It means, life ends with the birth.

The little believer: Even if I don’t know how life after birth looks like, we are finally gonna see our mother.The little sceptic: Mother? you believe in a mother? Where is she?   The little believer: here, everywhere around us. We live in her, we live through her . Without her, we wouldn’t exist.

The little sceptic: stop it. I never saw her so she doesn’t exist. The little believer: sometimes, when we are very quiet, you can hear her singing, you can feel it when she touches gently our world.

Anyway, I believe that our real life begins after birth….

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